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Georgia gives personhood to 6wk. embryos, effectively banning all abortions

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10 days ago - Friday 5/10/19 - 1:29:36 PM EST (GMT-5)
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/07/heal...

This will be immediately challenged in court (as all such laws are), but that doesn't mean its passage doesn't matter.

The vast majority of people don't even know they're pregnant at 6 weeks (with the notable exception of those who are actively trying to be pregnant). So this is effectively a ban on virtually all abortions in the state of Georgia.

In addition to purposely stripping women of their bodily autonomy, the bill is written in such a way that it brings up interesting legal questions about embryos. They literally recognize embryos at the point of "fetal heartbeat" (which isn't even really a heartbeat at that stage) as "natural persons" with rights. Women could be investigated and even go to jail for "suspicious" miscarriages under this law.
10 days ago - Friday 5/10/19 - 1:58:39 PM EST (GMT-5)
wtf
10 days ago - Friday 5/10/19 - 2:03:43 PM EST (GMT-5)
I hope this one also gets struck down by court. Wonder if any will make it to the Supreme Court. Hope not.

"In January, an Iowa judge struck down that state's fetal heartbeat bill, declaring it unconstitutional. The US Supreme Court has previously declined to weigh in after lower courts blocked bills in North Dakota and Arkansas."
10 days ago - Friday 5/10/19 - 2:15:03 PM EST (GMT-5)
Unless there is somehow some disagreement in lower courts about the validity of these laws, I would doubt any of them get heard by the Supreme Court. The lower courts SHOULD be unanimous on these, but you never know.

There was a similar law recently passed in Ohio, and one going forward in Alabama as well. Several other states have also either passed it in one chamber, or signed it into law but had it struck down in court. It's really, truly sick what the GOP are trying to do to people who can get pregnant.
10 days ago - Friday 5/10/19 - 2:19:38 PM EST (GMT-5)
It's really, truly sick what the Dems are trying to do to people who are just trying to be born.
10 days ago - Friday 5/10/19 - 2:20:06 PM EST (GMT-5)
isn't this sort of legislation just going to force people to get abortions in other states?
10 days ago - Friday 5/10/19 - 2:21:50 PM EST (GMT-5)
it can’t be pointed out enough how these anti abortion hacks only care about these fetuses up until they are actually born

after that, f-ck em
10 days ago - Friday 5/10/19 - 2:24:59 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 5/10/19 - 2:21:50 PM Disappears wrote:
it can’t be pointed out enough how these anti abortion hacks only care about these fetuses up until they are actually born after that, f-ck em

It really is true.
10 days ago - Friday 5/10/19 - 2:27:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 5/10/19 - 2:20:06 PM Inquizitor2 wrote:
isn't this sort of legislation just going to force people to get abortions in other states?


Yes, all those people who have all that money and time off work to travel hundreds of miles to other states, many of which have waiting periods, forcing them to spend even MORE time and money just to access basic healthcare.

Also, Georgia's law specifically says they can criminally prosecute people who leave the state to have an abortion after their ridiculous time-frame, so yknow, there's that.

Rich people will always have access to abortions when they need or want them. Every law against them greatly disproportionately affects those who are already at an economic disadvantage.
10 days ago - Friday 5/10/19 - 2:28:18 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 5/10/19 - 2:19:38 PM CowDung wrote:
It's really, truly sick what the Dems are trying to do to people who are just trying to be born.


Thankfully, the kind paternalistic elected officials allow abortion if there is a police report for rape and insist. So glad they tell me what I need to do with my body.

"The bill includes some exceptions for situations of medical futility or where the mother's health is at risk as well as in cases of rape or incest before the 20-week mark, if an official police report has been filed."
10 days ago - Friday 5/10/19 - 2:29:13 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 5/10/19 - 2:27:15 PM birdsong4j wrote:
Also, Georgia's law specifically says they can criminally prosecute people who leave the state to have an abortion after their ridiculous time-frame, so yknow, there's that.

wh...what
10 days ago - Friday 5/10/19 - 2:30:51 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 5/10/19 - 2:28:18 PM skirtgirl2 wrote:
Thankfully, the kind paternalistic elected officials allow abortion if there is a police report for rape


Just to point out what should be obvious, this is SO DANGEROUS to victims of domestic violence. It isn't hyperbole at all to say this will, if implemented, lead to women dying.
10 days ago - Friday 5/10/19 - 2:33:33 PM EST (GMT-5)
From what I’ve heard about the Georgia bill, it not only criminalizes abortion, but also conduct that results in miscarriage/the death of the fetus, which is very problematic.

For one thing, it’s often not possible to scientifically pinpoint what caused miscarriage. If this law was actually upheld, it’s likely that women would be convicted based on conduct that would otherwise be legal and w/o scientific certainty that the miscarriage was caused because of the woman’s conduct.

In the past, courts have intervened in women’s healthcare to force mentally competent women to have c-sections. Pregnant women were institutionalized because they had a history of mental illness or suicide attempts, not because they met any of the criteria for institutionalization at the time they were institutionalized.
10 days ago - Friday 5/10/19 - 2:35:49 PM EST (GMT-5)
I do wonder what a woman who is republican would think if she was raped but did not report it to police and now the republican party she voted for is telling her she is apparently not smart enough and not allowed to make a decision about her body.
10 days ago - Friday 5/10/19 - 2:35:56 PM EST (GMT-5)
This law would likely create two sets of rights– one for pregnant women and one for everyone else.

Pregnant women could be punished for all sorts of conduct that would otherwise be legal.
10 days ago - Friday 5/10/19 - 2:36:26 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 5/10/19 - 2:27:15 PM birdsong4j wrote:
Also, Georgia's law specifically says they can criminally prosecute people who leave the state to have an abortion after their ridiculous time-frame, so yknow, there's that.
On Friday 5/10/19 - 2:29:13 PM CuckingFunt wrote:
wh...what


The fetus has literal personhood under this law. They even say 6-week embryos can be counted as people for "purposes of population-based determinations."
The logical conclusions from this are many, but one is that traveling to another state to abort after 6 weeks could be considered conspiracy to commit murder, even if the "murder" happens in another state. Because under GA law, traveling out of state for an abortion would amount to conspiring to end the life of a person with full legal recognition.
10 days ago - Friday 5/10/19 - 2:40:47 PM EST (GMT-5)
I also want to point out that doctors estimate that 25% of pregnancies result in spontaneous miscarriage.

And what about HIPAA? Will healthcare privacy laws no longer apply to women?
10 days ago - Friday 5/10/19 - 2:41:52 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 5/10/19 - 2:35:56 PM Courtbebe wrote:
This law would likely create two sets of rights– one for pregnant women and one for everyone else. Pregnant women could be punished for all sorts of conduct that would otherwise be legal.


This is exactly right. The law is draconian and extreme, even by anti-choice standards. Pregnant people (and even people who don't KNOW they're pregnant, given the extreme 6-week timeframe) could and would be prosecuted. It would lead to people dying because they choose to go without necessary medical care when having a miscarriage. Because who wouldn't want to avoid being interrogated by police about, well, ANYthing immediately after having a miscarriage.
10 days ago - Friday 5/10/19 - 2:43:53 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 5/10/19 - 2:40:47 PM Courtbebe wrote:
I also want to point out that doctors estimate that 25% of pregnancies result in spontaneous miscarriage.

Yeah. So they're going to investigate them all and make sure they weren't "suspicious"? Jesus.
10 days ago - Friday 5/10/19 - 2:49:09 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 5/10/19 - 2:40:47 PM Courtbebe wrote:
I also want to point out that doctors estimate that 25% of pregnancies result in spontaneous miscarriage.
On Friday 5/10/19 - 2:43:53 PM CuckingFunt wrote:
Yeah. So they're going to investigate them all and make sure they weren't "suspicious"? Jesus.


Someone on Twitter shared the story of his mother’s miscarriage before Roe.

His mother was crying and covered in blood, but doctors wouldn’t let her clean herself or get dressed until the police came to view the “scene” and interrogate her.
10 days ago - Friday 5/10/19 - 2:50:05 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 5/10/19 - 2:40:47 PM Courtbebe wrote:
I also want to point out that doctors estimate that 25% of pregnancies result in spontaneous miscarriage.
On Friday 5/10/19 - 2:43:53 PM CuckingFunt wrote:
Yeah. So they're going to investigate them all and make sure they weren't "suspicious"? Jesus.


Oh no, they won't investigate them ALL. You can bet there'll be selective enforcement of that particular part of the law. And I bet you can guess who'll be disproportionately affected by it.
10 days ago - Friday 5/10/19 - 2:53:04 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 5/10/19 - 2:49:09 PM Courtbebe wrote:
Someone on Twitter shared the story of his mother’s miscarriage before Roe. His mother was crying and covered in blood, but doctors wouldn’t let her clean herself or get dressed until the police came to view the “scene” and interrogate her.


I saw that. His mother wasn't an activist before that. But men trying to criminalize one of the most traumatic experiences of her life caused her to found (and run for 20+ years) New Jersey Right to Choose.
10 days ago - Friday 5/10/19 - 2:57:39 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 5/10/19 - 2:49:09 PM Courtbebe wrote:
Someone on Twitter shared the story of his mother’s miscarriage before Roe. His mother was crying and covered in blood, but doctors wouldn’t let her clean herself or get dressed until the police came to view the “scene” and interrogate her.

holy sh*t
10 days ago - Friday 5/10/19 - 3:01:00 PM EST (GMT-5)
Right. I was serious when I said that effect of the law would cause women to die because they'll refuse to seek medical care after a miscarriage for fear of being treated like a criminal in a hugely traumatic moment.
10 days ago - Friday 5/10/19 - 3:06:13 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 5/10/19 - 3:01:00 PM birdsong4j wrote:
Right. I was serious when I said that effect of the law would cause women to die because they'll refuse to seek medical care after a miscarriage for fear of being treated like a criminal in a hugely traumatic moment.

Now I see.

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