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1 month ago - Sunday 8/30/20 - 10:46:11 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Sunday 8/30/20 - 9:49:54 PM postallbear wrote:
Just because the opinion they were espousing wasn't fascism, you're no longer in favor of protecting their rights
On Sunday 8/30/20 - 10:17:04 PM CowDung wrote:
Kinda jumping to conclusions without any evidence to support the claim, aren't you?


Seems like you are in such a hurry to bang the 'CowDung is a Nazi' drum, you choose to just make sh*t up rather than consider my actual position. Bird certainly has a loyal toady in you, Postal...

1 month ago - Sunday 8/30/20 - 10:55:21 PM EST (GMT-5)
Good job defending the appropriate use of force...

But that's what the US legal system is like isn't it? Just n extension of online trolling.
1 month ago - Sunday 8/30/20 - 11:02:43 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Sunday 8/30/20 - 9:48:47 PM postallbear wrote:
Police don't protect all citizens. Who was there to protect those expressing their opinion from the gun nut who murdered them?
On Sunday 8/30/20 - 10:20:24 PM CowDung wrote:
Murder? The allegation is that the gun nut was assaulted and was defending himself...


Uh, dippoo. He wasn't charged with defending himself. He was charged with homicide. You and his lawyer want to frame it as self defense whether it was or not.
1 month ago - Sunday 8/30/20 - 11:05:43 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Sunday 8/30/20 - 9:49:54 PM postallbear wrote:
Just because the opinion they were espousing wasn't fascism, you're no longer in favor of protecting their rights
On Sunday 8/30/20 - 10:17:04 PM CowDung wrote:
Kinda jumping to conclusions without any evidence to support the claim, aren't you?
On Sunday 8/30/20 - 10:46:11 PM CowDung wrote:
Seems like you are in such a hurry to bang the 'CowDung is a Nazi' drum, you choose to just make sh*t up rather than consider my actual position. Bird certainly has a loyal toady in you, Postal...

Nah, you do that yourself. If the news story was reversed and it was a nazi getting punched, you'd defend him. But since it was protesters getting killed, you're okay with it.
drat off with the toady thing, Nazi cocksucker.
1 month ago - Sunday 8/30/20 - 11:07:10 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Sunday 8/30/20 - 9:48:47 PM postallbear wrote:
Police don't protect all citizens. Who was there to protect those expressing their opinion from the gun nut who murdered them?
On Sunday 8/30/20 - 10:20:24 PM CowDung wrote:
Murder? The allegation is that the gun nut was assaulted and was defending himself...
On Sunday 8/30/20 - 11:02:43 PM postallbear wrote:
Uh, dippoo. He wasn't charged with defending himself. He was charged with homicide. You and his lawyer want to frame it as self defense whether it was or not.


He was charged with homicide, and has claimed self defense in response to the charges.

You want to frame it as murder whether it was or not.

I'm OK with letting the courts weigh the evidence and deciding accordingly.


1 month ago - Sunday 8/30/20 - 11:08:56 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Sunday 8/30/20 - 10:46:11 PM CowDung wrote:
Seems like you are in such a hurry to bang the 'CowDung is a Nazi' drum, you choose to just make sh*t up rather than consider my actual position. Bird certainly has a loyal toady in you, Postal...
On Sunday 8/30/20 - 11:05:43 PM postallbear wrote:
Nah, you do that yourself. If the news story was reversed and it was a nazi getting punched, you'd defend him. But since it was protesters getting killed, you're okay with it. drat off with the toady thing, Nazi cocksucker.


Where did I say I was OK with protesters being killed?

You are nothing but a f*cking toady, and you know it.
1 month ago - Sunday 8/30/20 - 11:11:36 PM EST (GMT-5)
And you're nothing but a Nazi cocksucker.

Bird and i are far from always agreeing. Likewise court, bored and all the others here who only agree that you're wrong.
1 month ago - Sunday 8/30/20 - 11:14:44 PM EST (GMT-5)
What exactly am I wrong about here?

I think the only actual opinion I gave here was that the vigilantes are likely to step up if they believe the defunded police aren't going to defend the citizenry.

...well, that an the opinion that you're Bird's toady.
1 month ago - Sunday 8/30/20 - 11:22:17 PM EST (GMT-5)
Found another opinion:

On Sunday 8/30/20 - 10:20:24 PM CowDung wrote:
The protesters should be free to exercise their right to demonstrate.


Am I wrong?

1 month ago - Sunday 8/30/20 - 11:29:44 PM EST (GMT-5)
Yes. You say so much with what you don't say.

Also " tHIs iS wHaT hApPeNs WhEn yOu DeFuND tHe pOLiCe." Uhhh, no. This is what happens when you have a.police force which thinks itself at war with the community they serve.
1 month ago - Sunday 8/30/20 - 11:36:00 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Sunday 8/30/20 - 11:29:44 PM Spoonerism wrote:
Yes. You say so much with what you don't say. Also " tHIs iS wHaT hApPeNs WhEn yOu DeFuND tHe pOLiCe." Uhhh, no. This is what happens when you have a.police force which thinks itself at war with the community they serve.


I do agree with the idea that vigilantes will act if they believe that a defunded police force isn't going to protect citizens. Some vigilantes don't even need the police to be defunded before they try taking the law into their own hands.

That doesn't mean that I think the vigilantes are necessarily correct in their actions...
1 month ago - Monday 8/31/20 - 1:03:59 AM EST (GMT-5)
Found another opinion:
On Sunday 8/30/20 - 10:20:24 PM CowDung wrote:
The protesters should be free to exercise their right to demonstrate.
On Sunday 8/30/20 - 11:22:17 PM CowDung wrote:
Am I wrong?


Yes... and full of sh*t
1 month ago - Monday 8/31/20 - 1:31:32 AM EST (GMT-5)
Found another opinion:
On Sunday 8/30/20 - 10:20:24 PM CowDung wrote:
The protesters should be free to exercise their right to demonstrate.
On Sunday 8/30/20 - 11:22:17 PM CowDung wrote:
Am I wrong?
On Monday 8/31/20 - 1:03:59 AM Boredofu wrote:
Yes... and full of sh*t

So, to be clear, you think protesters should not be free to exercise their right, given in the constitution, to demonstrate?
1 month ago - Monday 8/31/20 - 1:34:37 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Sunday 8/30/20 - 11:11:36 PM postallbear wrote:
And you're nothing but a Nazi cocksucker. Bird and i are far from always agreeing. Likewise court, bored and all the others here who only agree that you're wrong.


Good grief. See that, you're just wrong. No specifics, no cogent argument. You're just wrong.
1 month ago - Monday 8/31/20 - 4:39:36 AM EST (GMT-5)
It's called not feeding the troll.
1 month ago - Monday 8/31/20 - 4:43:02 AM EST (GMT-5)
Found another opinion:
On Sunday 8/30/20 - 10:20:24 PM CowDung wrote:
The protesters should be free to exercise their right to demonstrate.
On Sunday 8/30/20 - 11:22:17 PM CowDung wrote:
Am I wrong?
On Monday 8/31/20 - 1:03:59 AM Boredofu wrote:
Yes... and full of sh*t
On Monday 8/31/20 - 1:31:32 AM Noldor wrote:
So, to be clear, you think protesters should not be free to exercise their right, given in the constitution, to demonstrate?


I'm not going to get involved in dealing with a proxy troll.
1 month ago - Monday 8/31/20 - 11:25:45 AM EST (GMT-5)
This is the mentality CD displays that gets him called out:

Nazis have the right to protest using hate speech without getting punched in the mouth.
Anti fascist protesters have the right to protest but if someone guns down two of them then it was self defense.
1 month ago - Monday 8/31/20 - 12:08:55 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 8/31/20 - 11:25:45 AM postallbear wrote:
This is the mentality CD displays that gets him called out: Nazis have the right to protest using hate speech without getting punched in the mouth. Anti fascist protesters have the right to protest but if someone guns down two of them then it was self defense.


No, that's really not what I'm saying.

Everyone has the right to protest without getting physically attacked.

Everyone also has the right to defend themselves if they are physically attacked.

It is not up to me to determine if the shooter is a murderer or if he acted in self defense- - that determination will be made by the justice system. At this point, stating definitively that it is one or the other is premature, perhaps even dishonest.
1 month ago - Monday 8/31/20 - 12:54:08 PM EST (GMT-5)
The video is not really clear on the first guy he killed. I don't know what happened that led up to that.

He clearly acted in self-defense on the second guy he killed IMO.
1 month ago - Monday 8/31/20 - 12:55:10 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 8/31/20 - 11:25:45 AM postallbear wrote:
Anti fascist protesters have the right to protest but if someone guns down two of them then it was self defense.


Nobody has said or implied that.

If your life is endangered, you have the right to defend yourself.
1 month ago - Monday 8/31/20 - 1:18:59 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 8/31/20 - 12:54:08 PM Noldor wrote:
The video is not really clear on the first guy he killed. I don't know what happened that led up to that. He clearly acted in self-defense on the second guy he killed IMO.

WTF? He was brandishing the gun the entire time and didn't remain at the scene of the first shooting. Fleeing that scene makes whatever others do to him self defense not the other way around.
1 month ago - Monday 8/31/20 - 1:21:35 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 8/31/20 - 11:25:45 AM postallbear wrote:
Anti fascist protesters have the right to protest but if someone guns down two of them then it was self defense.
On Monday 8/31/20 - 12:55:10 PM Noldor wrote:
Nobody has said or implied that. If your life is endangered, you have the right to defend yourself.

The protesters were the ones in danger by him waving his gun around and fleeing the scene of his first shooting. They had the right to try to disarm and subdue him. None of them attempted to kill him. Can't be said the other way around.
1 month ago - Monday 8/31/20 - 1:39:13 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 8/31/20 - 12:54:08 PM Noldor wrote:
The video is not really clear on the first guy he killed. I don't know what happened that led up to that. He clearly acted in self-defense on the second guy he killed IMO.
On Monday 8/31/20 - 1:18:59 PM postallbear wrote:
WTF? He was brandishing the gun the entire time and didn't remain at the scene of the first shooting. Fleeing that scene makes whatever others do to him self defense not the other way around.


I disagree. Fleeing a scene where one feels endangered or threatened is probably the preferred action.
1 month ago - Monday 8/31/20 - 2:06:19 PM EST (GMT-5)
None of us here know exactly what went on when the shootings happened. At trial, they should examine all the evidence much more closely than what has been filtered out over the internets.

If they were indeed wrongful killings, then he should be found guilty of the murder charges and be sentenced accordingly.
1 month ago - Monday 8/31/20 - 2:28:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Sunday 8/30/20 - 6:22:43 PM Noldor wrote:
This is what happens when you defund the police. If there are no police around to keep the peace, then citizens will do it to defend themselves and their property.


So wrong. This is why we must abolish the police and prison system and outlaw guns. All are instruments for white hegemony. Instead we need more schools and guaranteed incomes. With education and the ability to support themselves, there'd no crime. The current justice system is an abusive anachronism.

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